AC adds capacity to Western Canada for winter 2005

  • http://www.cnw.ca/en/releases/archive/December2004/01/c0161.html


    [...]
    Daily non-stop service from Calgary-Fort McMurray will be introduced
    departing Calgary at 0630, offering a convenient morning flight for corporate
    travellers. The return flight from Fort McMurray is timed for convenient mid-
    day connections with Air Canada's extensive network across Canada and the USA.
    Two additional daily flights between Calgary and Edmonton will also be added
    for a total of 16 daily flights to offer connections to and from Northern
    Alberta. All Calgary-Grande Prairie flights will be operated exclusively with
    Dash 8 aircraft, resulting in a significant increase in capacity on this
    route. In addition, effective January 05, 2005, Air Canada will be adding an
    additional flight from Calgary-Toronto for a total of 10 daily flights.
    Air Canada will also be adding one additional round-trip flight between
    Vancouver and Kelowna to offer connections from its Vancouver hub to and from
    the BC interior during the peak ski season.
    [...]


  • Does this assist or "punish" PunishedEdmontonian ? Is Grande Prairie and Fort McMurray in wintertime a positive or negative ? :D


  • Couldn't care less about the jokers at AC/AP since the vast majority of business people I know won't patronize them no matter where they try to fly... :p

    I rarely set foot on them anyways. ^


    PE only knows lawyers and not real business men who do fly AC/Jazz..cuz I fly with them all the time :D


  • It is like most things in Alberta - it is difficult for companies to justify both Calgary and Edmonton.

    Calgary usually wins


  • I am afraid I do not see this announcement as a real "Increase in Capacity". The company has been cutting capacity out west for some time, and they are probably just reinstating services they cut for the winter season.

    Air Canada is still quite firmly committed to cutting domestically and shifting that capacity (as best they can) to transborder and international routes. At the same time, it seems they are experiencing good demand domestically, and perhaps especially out west, so they will try to add what they can to take advantage of that. Perhaps they have a few aircraft coming back from maintenance in January.

    As far as Edmonton is concerned, I am afraid Air Canada is still withdrawing from there. Did you notice the Edmonton-Saskatoon service seems to have disappeared? The company is probably conducting a rearguard with such markets. They will hang on where they can, but if they lose money, then Edmonton-Grande Prairie, Edmonton-Fort McMurray, or even Edmonton-Winnipeg can be sacrificed. (I do not expect this!).

    For Edmonton itself, however, the future is brighter, since passenger traffic is growing strongly, and other carriers are more than making up the slack. It is just that Edmonton will tend to disappear from the Air Canada route map and appear on someone else's.

    These is my analysis. I have no inside information.


  • Does this assist or "punish" PunishedEdmontonian ? Is Grande Prairie and Fort McMurray in wintertime a positive or negative ? :D

    Couldn't care less about the jokers at AC/AP since the vast majority of business people I know won't patronize them no matter where they try to fly... :p

    I rarely set foot on them anyways. ^


  • I think this will hurt Edmonton, but makes since for Air Canada to be making this change. Hopefully YEG will see some change next week with JETsgo's announcement for western expansion.


  • My analysis is that you can't make any valid conclusions until you see how the CRJ-705s, EMB-175s, EMB-190s and additional CRJ-200s are deployed. Air Canada is adding a significant number of aircraft in the next two years. They aren't all going on transborder. They will launch new domestic services and enhance others. Talk of domestic downsizing is decieving, and if recent traffic numbers haven't made it obvious, than the deployment of new aircraft will confirm that AC's domestic market is growing irrespective of what's happening to its domestic market share. It may be that WJ, CJ and SG are shoving more capacity into the domestic market, and that AC's share of total capacity is declining, but on revenue traffic generation, AC is not only commited to domestic stability, but increasing overall RPMs. That is bound to benefit YEG. One notion is that AC will look to overfly Toronto more and more because of the chaos at YYZ. AC plans to add new services at YYZ, but would rather not add much to the total number of acft moving through Toronto until all of its activity is housed in one building. So look for YEG to get more long hauls not less domestically. It just isn't happening this winter.

    Sorry, but I really do not see Air Canada investing to much in Edmonton. As a fan of Edmonton, I would be more than happy if I was wrong. But from a business stand point investing in Edmonton besides maybe a international flight and points to its four other Domestic hubs would not make sense in there operation.


  • I see Hawkair has started YYC-YXJ non-stops with connecting service to YYE.

    www.hawkair.ca

    AKAIK this route has never been tried n/s before.


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  • It is like most things in Alberta - it is difficult for companies to justify both Calgary and Edmonton.

    Calgary usually wins


    When was the last time Calgary won a stanley cup or the grey cup?


  • YEG News has to be an Edmonton Airports production since buried deep inside is a mention that Ottawa is seeing major cuts from WS, including n/s flights to YEG :rolleyes: Folks, its YEG that's getting the cut since that is the topic of the website!! Interesting that WS couldn't make a go of YOW nonstops and disappointing to boot. I guess MPs like Executive Class.

    I don't think it looks like something the ERAA would do. Looks more like a private individual.


  • If enough travelers take the n/s, WS might reduce or pull the YMM-YEG run and either transfer to YMM-YYC or drop the route all together.

    I guarantee that WS will not drop YMM as a destination. Can't say why, but I know it won't happen.


  • Is there enough traffic to justify flying these non-stops? Edmonton is a hub for the North so this doesn't make sense given AC's hub and spoke model. Routing Calgarians to Edmonton on their way to the North is still a better way to go.


  • YEG News has to be an Edmonton Airports production since buried deep inside is a mention that Ottawa is seeing major cuts from WS, including n/s flights to YEG :rolleyes: Folks, its YEG that's getting the cut since that is the topic of the website!! Interesting that WS couldn't make a go of YOW nonstops and disappointing to boot. I guess MPs like Executive Class.


  • I am afraid I do not see this announcement as a real "Increase in Capacity". The company has been cutting capacity out west for some time, and they are probably just reinstating services they cut for the winter season.

    Air Canada is still quite firmly committed to cutting domestically and shifting that capacity (as best they can) to transborder and international routes. At the same time, it seems they are experiencing good demand domestically, and perhaps especially out west, so they will try to add what they can to take advantage of that. Perhaps they have a few aircraft coming back from maintenance in January.

    As far as Edmonton is concerned, I am afraid Air Canada is still withdrawing from there. Did you notice the Edmonton-Saskatoon service seems to have disappeared? The company is probably conducting a rearguard with such markets. They will hang on where they can, but if they lose money, then Edmonton-Grande Prairie, Edmonton-Fort McMurray, or even Edmonton-Winnipeg can be sacrificed. (I do not expect this!).

    For Edmonton itself, however, the future is brighter, since passenger traffic is growing strongly, and other carriers are more than making up the slack. It is just that Edmonton will tend to disappear from the Air Canada route map and appear on someone else's.

    These is my analysis. I have no inside information.

    My analysis is that you can't make any valid conclusions until you see how the CRJ-705s, EMB-175s, EMB-190s and additional CRJ-200s are deployed. Air Canada is adding a significant number of aircraft in the next two years. They aren't all going on transborder. They will launch new domestic services and enhance others. Talk of domestic downsizing is decieving, and if recent traffic numbers haven't made it obvious, than the deployment of new aircraft will confirm that AC's domestic market is growing irrespective of what's happening to its domestic market share. It may be that WJ, CJ and SG are shoving more capacity into the domestic market, and that AC's share of total capacity is declining, but on revenue traffic generation, AC is not only commited to domestic stability, but increasing overall RPMs. That is bound to benefit YEG. One notion is that AC will look to overfly Toronto more and more because of the chaos at YYZ. AC plans to add new services at YYZ, but would rather not add much to the total number of acft moving through Toronto until all of its activity is housed in one building. So look for YEG to get more long hauls not less domestically. It just isn't happening this winter.


  • I was on another forum and saw this website, it is simple but interesting. They were saying that new schedule for the american airlines come out this week or the next as well. Wonder if HP will increase Edmonton since LAX and PHX are almost always full . The site was


  • The traffic to YMM from both YYC and YEG is probably growing dramatically again and it only makes sense to add the YYC N/S. I don't think I've been on a flt to/from YMM that was not very full this year.The new projects are starting to kick in and the traffic going up there fro the next five years or so willbe much heavier. They have opened 5 new hotels in YMM over the last year or so in anticipation of this increased flow of people.

    WS has their 737 runs and I'm sure Jazz will put RJ's on that route when they are available.


  • In the words of an old lady at a SPAR store in Scotland when she found out I was from Cold Lake, AB: "That's a grim setting." I believe that transitive property would let that apply to all of Northern AB, SK, and MB in winter :rolleyes:

    Now, direct flights to Montego Bay...that would be something :D







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